Nothing Ever Goes to Space [UPDATE]: Correction Added

This is a guest post by @rokro111. Find him on Twitter.

UPDATE

Correction added March 5, 2019

This article purported that the comparison of the land features showed the rocket gained a certain altitude far short of 73 miles.

This correction makes use of objective and verified information.  Dwayne Kellum, who uploaded the high-altitude balloon footage to the internet did not know I would be using it to verify the KY Michelson, FAA, and CXST’s claim of achieving an rocket altitude over 73 miles.

I initially reported in the original article the height of the rocket was about 70 miles short of its claimed altitude.  I was incorrect.  Thanks to all the people who commented and provided feedback that the conclusion I drew was not entirely accurate.  The corrected height of the CSXT rocket is closer to 21-23 miles.  The error in the rocket’s height claimed by CSXT, KY Michelson, and the FAA is in error by over 50 miles in regard to their claim I have just confidently confirmed is incorrect.  The correct and objectively verified height is roughly 21-23 miles.

Let me start by providing a few examples.  This first image is captured from a high altitude balloon launched near Madera, CA on November 10, 2018 carrying an infrared camera at the current height of 22,939 feet (4.34 miles).  The measured feature is the San Luis Reservoir in Merced County, California.  The line measuring the reservoir is almost 7 inches at this height.

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The next image below is from the same high-altitude balloon and camera at a height of 39,059 feet (7.39 miles).  The line measuring the reservoir is 3 inches at this height.

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The image below is from an altitude of 78,496 feet (14.86 miles).  The line measuring the reservoir is slightly over 1 inch at this height.

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At 114,227 feet (21.63 miles) the length of the line is slightly longer than 1 inch. The line measuring the reservoir is 75% of what it was 7 miles higher in altitude or about ¾ inch.

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The following image is from the CSXT rocket at the alleged height of 73 miles.  This is the
“duck” shaped land feature at the moment the rocket stage is detached.  The duck feature is smaller at 6.5 miles than the water feature above which is 6.75 miles.  For sake of simplicity, each is roughly the same size but one is objectively verified at 21.63 miles high.

Comparing these water and land features, it appears the CSXT rocket is roughly the same altitude of 21.5 miles high.  If these two comparable land features display roughly the same size, should we rely on the height from an amateur high-altitude balloon activist (who didn’t know I was going to compare CSXT’s rocket with his high-altitude balloon video footage) or Ky Michelson and the FAA government organization who certified the rocket attained a height of over 73.07 miles in altitude?

It appears, using objective and verifiable comparison information that the rocket achieved a height not exceeding 23 miles.  Where did the extra 50 miles in altitude come from?  I assert no vehicle or human has been above about 26 miles from our flat and stationary earth. The details, visual confirmations, and facts provided here support that.  Any images on google earth cannot be relied upon if over about 26 miles. Nothing has ever been over that altitude.

The videos are attached to this article and I encourage everyone to do the research so you can obtain an understanding of what these videos show, and which one we can rely on, and which one we cannot.

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This is an image of the duck as soon as the 1st stage was detached from the rocket.

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View and verify the infrared high-altitude video by Dwayne Kellum here:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5kRyQStPhU

View the CSXT rocket launch here:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=001IXnp0ogc

I have no affiliation with the CSXT team or the FAA and I believe my review of the launch video is objective. I insist the GoFast rocket did not attain its claimed altitude, but did reach a confirmed height of approximately 21-22 miles which remains 50 miles short of its claimed height.

The FAA may need to review and correct its certification of the 2014 CSXT rocket launch and the Wikipedia page and any other source that wrongfully claims the rocket achieved a rocket elevation of 73.07 miles.

Realize – nothing gets to space. I don’t want you to take my word for it, I want you to do your own research and come to your own conclusions.

[End of correction]

[Original article starts here]

The Soviet Union supposedly launched Sputnik 1 into orbit On October 4, 1957.  The United States couldn’t afford to allow another nation to be the first to land a man on the moon. Being the leader of the space race was a matter of pride for our nation.

On July 29, 1958 NASA was established with a yearly budget of $58,000,000.  That budget climbed yearly and NASA’s budget for 2018 is $20,736,000,000 – or $52 million per day!

On July 16,1969, NASA launched Apollo 11 to space with the moon being its destination. The Apollo 11 was equipped with five F-1 rocket engines.  The thrust generated from those engines totaled 7.5 million pounds.

Those 5 rocket engines had to propel 6,100,000 pounds (3,050 tons) to space.  Their plan was to do it in stages. All they had to do was get 3,050 tons to a speed of 24,200 mph to get to the moon.  It was all planned on paper by professionals.

But wait…..

Wernher von Braun said, “It is commonly believed that man will fly directly from the earth to the moon, but to do this, we would require a vehicle of such gigantic proportions that it would prove an economic impossibility. It would have to develop sufficient speed to penetrate the atmosphere and overcome the earth’s gravity…”

Did we get to the moon?  Mission commander Neil Armstrong and pilot Buzz Aldrin said we did – but did they really?

Surely the videos of the moon landing were real because we all saw it on television.  We even heard President Nixon make a phone call to Buzz and Neil. The videos are reviewable for those who have any uncertainty.

That’s where I get involved.  President Ronald Reagan once said, “Trust, but verify.” When extraordinary claims are made, extraordinary objective verification is needed.

Nothing gets to space….  Nothing ever has, and nothing ever will get to space.  The requirements to get to space include both sufficient speed and fuel to overcome the force that keeps things on earth – more specifically, an object’s density or weight including the rocket, fuel, supplies, food, space suits, oxygen, crew, batteries, testing equipment, lunar module, and command module. None of those mentioned items contributes to propelling the rocket to space.  When all that cargo takes up space, that means there is less room for fuel.

The rocket weighed 3,050 tons.  Some of that weight will be discharged during the stages but it still falls significantly short to even make it close to space.  

The furthest a rocket can climb against its own weight while pushing through the drag of our atmosplane doesn’t allow any rockets to even get near space. Rockets go up; just far enough out of view, and then fall back down to earth every single time.

rocket nasa spacex
Rockets go up, then back down to earth every time.

Surely our government wouldn’t lie. Or would they? If getting a rocket to space is impossible, how did Buzz and Neil get to the moon?  

To be honest, no one has been to the moon. No person or vehicle has ever been to space. The mission to get to the moon, let alone space, is impossible. So how did Nasa do it? We have been lied to. I don’t know all the specifics of what Nasa did to fool the world, but they did.  How they lied is not as important as the fact that they lied.

It’s nearly impossible to objectively verify the claims of Nasa because nobody has the resources and funding of Nasa. That differentiates Nasa from regular people.  There is so much misleading and blatantly incorrect information that nobody can objectively verify their claims. Is all hope lost to find the truth? No, we must tirelessly demand objective and verifiable proof. We should verify all claims concerning rockets – especially since getting to space is impossible.

That leads me to the Civilian Space exploration team, known as CSXT.  On July 14, 2014, the CSXT team launched a rocket called GoFast. That rocket was launched from Black Rock Desert in Nevada and their claimed success can reviewed here

They claimed their rocket reached a maximum speed of 3,580 miles per hour and a height of 73.07 miles.  The launch was reviewed and certified by FAA after analysis of the data from the recovered military grade Inertial Measurement Unit (IMU) was concluded.

How can we objectively verify their claim besides trusting the CSXT team and the review and certification by the FAA?  We can review the video of the launch and do some research to see if their claims make sense. You can see their GoFast launch video here.

While reviewing the on-board camera launch video, the heights didn’t appear accurate. Anyone who has ever been in an airplane, should realize the observation of the ground terrain in the video doesn’t look as high as claimed.

In the video, the thrust exhaust from the rocket lasts about 30 seconds. The rocket appeared to still be ascending even after the ammonia perchlorate rocket fuel had been completely exhausted.  The ascent continued for about another 30 seconds until the yo-yo de-spin mechanism was activated.

After about 10 more seconds, the top portion of the rocket separated from the lower portion.  During this time, the rocket was stabilized enough to review the landscape below. After a total of 80 seconds after the launch, the rocket started tumbling downward.  During the 20 second span between the yo-yo de-spin and the rocket’s tumble, I was able to review some still video images.

The 1st image shows a distinct white-shaped land mark. Comparing that image (inverted) to the 2nd image using Google Earth, at 2 miles high, the images appear to be the same size.

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From the GoFast rocket cam. Please note the guitar-shaped landmark in the upper right.

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From Google Earth at 2 miles elevation. Please note identical landmark.

In the 3rd image a circle-crop field cluster can be seen (inverted).  The 4th image obtained from Google Earth captures that same circle-crop field cluster and it appears the same size as what appears on the rocket at 2 miles elevation.

gofast cluster meme
From the GoFast rocket cam, they claim 70 miles elevation. Please note crop cluster.
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From Google Earth, 2 miles up. Please note same cluster.

Lastly, the 5th image from the rocket shows a white appearing land structure in the shape of a duck as in the Google map image at an elevation of 2 miles. Both structures appear the same comparable size.

gofast duck meme
From the GoFast rocket cam. Please note the duck-shaped landmark.

 

gofast google duck meme
From Google Earth, 2 miles up. Please note identical duck-shaped landmark.

I have no affiliation with the CSXT team or the FAA and I believe my review of the launch video is objective. I insist the GoFast rocket did not attain its claimed altitude, but did reach a confirmed height of approximately 2 miles.

The FAA may need to review and correct its certification of the 2014 CSXT rocket launch and the Wikipedia page and any other source that wrongfully claims the rocket achieved a rocket elevation of 73.07 miles.

Remember, nothing gets to space. I don’t want you to take my word for it, I want you to do your own research and come to your own conclusions.

78 Comments

  1. I wouldn’t be surprised (and I’m leaning towards the belief) that the US of A was *allowed* to beat the Russians. Give and take – it’s what governments do. It’s the ol’ we’ll give you “this” if you give us “that”, sorta thing.

    ***just my thoughts, as I hardly have proof, and if I did (have proof) who would believe me? ***

    1. And for the record…

      I don’t believe we went to the moon either… not using (our) current earth technology anyway.

      Too soon
      Too soon

      1. You’re welcome!! I’m pulling an all-nighter so I can complete my “coverage” of this “anomaly” as well!! I am including the link to this blog entry in the description. Also, in my vid, I hope it’s ok if I use screenshots from your blog entry and/or if I read bits of it…? 🙂

  2. Great research. Space is fairy tales for adults. Propulsion and ignition is impossible in a vacuum state. You need a medium like air and water for propulsion to work.

  3. Another reason to believe that standard altitude of commercial flights of 35,000 feet which equals approximately 7 miles up is false. They are manipulating the numbers for everything.

    1. Of course, thousands upon thousands of airline pilots are are part of the grand conspiracy lying about how high we are flying, including my brother who flies for Delta. Furthermore, he assures me that they use navigation on all flights, particularly when he flies from the US to Europe or Asia that utilizes globe /great circle navigation software. They all do. BC that is the shape of the thing they are flying over…

      1. I can’t stop laughing at how FE-ers utilize timeanddate.com and Google Earth when these are based on a globe. Maybe because that is the real shape of the Earth? Of course it is…

      2. Hi Tom, ive also got friends that are and have been pilots, the flat earthers continue to make me laugh that all pilots are liars lol, the thing is why hasn’t there been any flat earther pilots that have tried to blow the governments supposed cover? Because they can’t, also anyone (or flat earther) can learn to be an airline pilot themselves on private courses, then apply to airlines, so why haven’t they done that? If i was a determined flat earther i would

  4. I don’t think the google earth shots are from 2 miles up.

    The white thing (just west of Black Mountain) in the first example is ~5 miles across.
    Black mountain (just next to it is ~0.45 miles up)

    That must be a wide lens, 2 mile up, 40 mile fov…

    Why must you lie to us!?

    1. Sammy, you are completely ignored by me on twitter, and that should apply here but I will make an exception. The legend basically represents both the elevation & the ground distance all at the same time. As the height increases, the ground distance decreases proportionally. Scientific experiment proving this has been posted to twitter with attached w/photos. I will continue to posts the facts and the truth and it’s your right to ignore those facts and reality. I can’t do your thinking for you.

  5. “The google earth screen shots are in the article which indicates in the google earth legend that the elevations is 2 miles up in the bottom right hand corner. ” – guest writer’s tweet.

    This whole google earth/gofast part is useless if the guest writer thinks this is true.

    How to read a map 101.

  6. In regard to the elevation legend, some people think that is the distance line. Since the increase in height and the decrease in distance is proportionally opposite of each other, is represents both ground distance and elevation. When the elevation increases, the ground distance decreases, and this effect is a reverse proportional relationship. Thanks for bringing this to my attention and I’m glad I was able to explain to you why some may be confused. Denial of the truth about the lies is rather difficult to accept for those who refuse to believe they were lied to in the first place. We are all being lied to about our flat and stationary earth were we live. (I will post some images on the twitter platform to illustrate the proportional relationship to assist those who refuse to accept the truth.)

  7. good point, but they do it for a certain purpose. they actually release Barium or Strontium materials from the rocket smoke. you can see it in every satellite launch video. This chemtrail will be used for ‘artificial plasma’ which later called as a geostationer satellite..

    1. No such as thing as satellites unless they are attached to a balloon. It’s been like that since the 60’s https://www.space.com/8973-1st-communication-satellite-giant-space-balloon-50-years.html
      But the problem with balloons is that they eventually crash
      https://youtu.be/iixEsQOXAsI
      Google realized that so instead they purchased a fleet of drones for their mapping Google Earth software
      https://gizmodo.com/5916290/google-has-its-own-fleet-of-airplanes-to-map-the-world-in-3d
      Why would you have recon planes if you already have satellites in space? Do you seriously believe that the financial system and the military is going to rely on a snail pace connection when you can have fiber optics at a fraction of the cost! The reality is that 99 percent of the world in connected via ground towers. http://www.newsweek.com/undersea-cables-transport-99-percent-international-communications-319072
      Space technology is just a cash cow. Satellites in space is just an Arthur C Clark fairy tales. Also y the math and the physics don’t support the amount of satellites we supposedly have in space. It would mean one launch every week for the past 50 years. We just don’t have that kind of logistical infrastructure to launch that many rockets. It’s all fantasy.

  8. Go and look at the images in Google Earth of the Black Rock Desert launch area. You can see the “eye height” indicator in the lower left corner. At 73 miles “eye height” the images match up well with what the rocket photographed from that altitude. Go back to Google Earth and scroll down with the mouse wheel or the “+” key until the “eye height” is around 10,560 feet (2 miles). Then those crop irrigation circles get much larger – you can barely get three or four of them on the screen together. You can see individual cars and buildings from two miles up that are invisible at 73 miles altitude. Anyone with access to Google Earth can show you are outright lying when it comes down to it. Your opinion is your own, but don’t be surprised if you get called out for being a liar. You are just that.

  9. You contradict yourself by using google earth pics. How did goggle earth get those pics. If rockets just fly up and fall down. The earth is round all the planets in the solar system are round. So they people that lost their lives in the Columbus space shuttle explosion they were just made up. I would like for you to stand in front of their family and try explain what you think is real

      1. The fact that what goes up must come down has no exceptions. Does it take hours, days, weeks, months, years, or longer for things that go up to come down? No, it’s a matter of seconds and minutes. If anybody doubts this, show me continuous, unedited, and uncut video of anything that has gone up that has not gone down within the parameters I indicate are impossible.

    1. Do you know what the biggest contradiction is? It’s when it is factual that nothing gets higher than about 25 miles (and that requires high altitude balloons) yet you think the images you see over 25 miles are real.

      Your assumption the earth is round is an assumption based on your indoctrination since you were born. If there was curvature, there would be observable curvature evidence that matches a round spinning ball but there is none. Rather, there are thousands of scientific experiments using lasers, cameras, video, physical lines, and microwave signals that confirm there is no alleged curvature and at the same times confirms earth is flat. As a result, your assumption is disregarded as worthless.

      Your assumption planets are round is another assumption. It’s even an assumption planets are different than stars. Additionally, your assumption planets are in a solar system is misplaced. Your indoctrination has a firm grip on your mind but that’s what indoctrination is supposed to do. Would you be willing to obtain a photo of any planet yourself personally, obviously in 2-D because that is what you are limited to, that reveals a spherical planet? You can’t because there is no way to verify the shape of planets, stars, the sun, or the moon using 2-D means. Sure, you may see what nasa and others provide you that have been altered, shaded, and blurred to look like it might be a sphere but no amount of manipulation can created a sphere of things in which no shape can be determined.

      It’s easier to fool someone than it is to convince that person they have been fooled. Nobody died on the columbus space shuttle. In fact, there has never been a manned space rocket that has ever left earth. People at nasa are not dumb. They know that every single rocket that goes up, comes back down and because that happens with no exception, nobody in their right mind would ever go up in a rocket. I don’t have to tell the alleged crew member’s family because I can just tell the alleged astronaut to his or her face that they are not dead. It’s all a hoax and lie and you fell for it.

      http://www.geschichteinchronologie.com/atmosphaerenfahrt/fact06-Challenger-crash-fake-1986.html

      It’s easy to fool people because people like you make it easy.

      1. Your entire blog is worthless. You are not the arbiter of truth on Earth. I’d love to see you face-to-face with the people you claim are the Columbia and Challenger astronauts. They’d laugh you into silence if they didn’t knock your block off first.

      2. The made-up victims of the challenger explosion are laughing at you, michael, for falling for the hoax. I’m also laughing at you because you are letting them tug on your emotions since it is causing you to completely shut off your mind so you can’t see the obvious facts and proof that nobody died. Your anger seems to even be suggesting it is acceptable to assault someone who doesn’t believe their hoax. You should be angry at yourself for letting them fool you so easily. What part of “no one died because no one was in the rocket” can’t you comprehend/

  10. Do any of you flat earthers ever watch the discovery channels where all science, planet and space questions are answered (and no the programme makers dont work with the governments lol)

    1. Sure we do but unlike you we don’t believe in cartoon animation to define the world we live in. The Earth is observably and measurably flat. This is why we can see a lot more on the horizontal plane than on the curved plane. Plus vacuum needs a solid barrier to be contained so space is fake since no ignition, combustion and propulsion can exist in a vacuum.

  11. @rokro111

    Your continuous claim that nothing gets above 25 miles ignores the student rockets that have gone as high as 37 miles.

    As long as you ignore facts and evidence you fail.

    1. Not even the csxt team rocket can get above 21-22 miles high. You have been fooled to believe student sending rockets can get above the confirmed limitations. You talk about these mysterious achievements but provide no objective and verifiable evidence that your hopes, dreams, and prayers rest upon.

      1. You have no evidence of these so-called “confirmations” of yours. If you did, you would present it. Therefore, as long as you present no facts to substantiate your “claim”, it will remain just that – a claim, otherwise known as “your opinion”. And we all have one of those. The problem is, you continue to speak through yours – the same orifice that you use to defecate. I say you’re an out-and-out LIAR! Prove me wrong.

      2. michael, you used a form of the word “you” 11 times in your post and the subject of this article is not about me so I’ve rightfully ignored your post as being off-topic.

        The subject of this article is about nothing goes to space. Where is the missing 50 miles of the claimed height of that rocket? I can’t help it people have become accustomed to being lied to about so many things.

    2. Propaganda, such as the discovery channel, is there to influence and control your mind. And it’s doing what it was created to do.

  12. Id like to know generally why you and all the other flat earthers are against everything(shape of the earth, science, nature in general etc) what has the government (or whoever) done to you or upset you personally as i feel all your views seem to have a deeper reason why rather than just whst the shape of the earth is

  13. I can’t speak for everybody but I can speak for myself. I am not against anything. I am for the accurate, truthful, and factual shape of the earth. As for the rest of your post, I’ve ignored it since it’s based on assumptions. Some people don’t accept being lied to and some people, such as yourself accept it with open arms.

    Now that you got to take out the anger of being lied to on those telling you that you’ve been lied to, why don’t you address the elephant in the room and talk about the subject of this article. Honestly ask yourself why CSXT, the FAA, and others are lying to you about the rocket’s alleged height. The rocket attained a height of about 21 miles. Where is the view from over 50 miles higher? Don’t take your anger out on the messenger – direct that anger toward those who are lying to the world.

  14. You’re the one with assumptions as there’s been no physical proof, or photos etc for the flat earth ( and i didnt ignore the rest of your post as you keep on doing ) as im not rude like that and respect everyone like you should also

    1. Let me clear this up for you. If you look around you and other than hills and valleys, does the earth look flat? A rational conclusion is that the earth is flat. That is not an assumption.

      What is an assumption is when you look around and other than hills and valleys, the earth looks flat but you assume it is a ball. That’s an assumption. To add insult to injury, you also think that ball is spinning at 1000 mph because that’s what was programmed into your mind since you were born.

    2. Let me clear this up for you. If you look around you and other than hills and valleys, does the earth look flat? A rational conclusion is that the earth is flat. That is not an assumption.

      What is an assumption is when you look around and other than hills and valleys, the earth looks flat but you assume it is a ball. That’s an assumption. To add insult to injury, you also think that ball is spinning at 1000 mph because that’s what was programmed into your mind since you were born.

  15. It is the flat earth cult (and you are a cult) that has programmed your brain, also did you know that your founder Samuel Rowbotham was a convicted criminal that sold fake medicines to the public then made up the flat earth theory lecturing around towns getting more money out of people and all his theories were proved fake, read up about it for yourself

    1. The subject of this article is about the lies and fraud presented to the world about the limitations of every single thing trying to get higher than about 25 miles. Please note: the csxt rocket went up about 21 miles but was certified as going up over 50 miles higher than that. Nothing about your post is related to the subject of this article so it has been summarily dismissed.

    1. When you are off-topic from the subject of the article, I will guide you back to the subject. I have to do that frequently because people get distracted fairly easily.

  16. “@rokro111 February 3, 2019 at 3:25 pm
    The fact that what goes up must come down has no exceptions. Does it take hours, days, weeks, months, years, or longer for things that go up to come down? No, it’s a matter of seconds and minutes. If anybody doubts this, show me continuous, unedited, and uncut video of anything that has gone up that has not gone down within the parameters I indicate are impossible.”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WUPcBOWI3s

    That was easy. Do you think plane flights are impossible?

  17. “Your assumption planets are round is another assumption. It’s even an assumption planets are different than stars. Additionally, your assumption planets are in a solar system is misplaced. Your indoctrination has a firm grip on your mind but that’s what indoctrination is supposed to do. Would you be willing to obtain a photo of any planet yourself personally, obviously in 2-D because that is what you are limited to, that reveals a spherical planet? You can’t because there is no way to verify the shape of planets, stars, the sun, or the moon using 2-D means.”

    Did you know that there are things called telescopes, and you can look through telescopes at the same celestial object to get an idea of its movement and shape. Man, have you thought out anything you at all? These are not “assumptions” these are things that can be verified in ways that a fifth grader with average intelligence could think of.

  18. “ather, there are thousands of scientific experiments using lasers, cameras, video, physical lines, and microwave signals that confirm there is no alleged curvature and at the same times confirms earth is flat”

    Speaking of lasers, check out Bob Knodel and his ring laser gyroscope:”https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrGgxAK9Z5A”
    Whoopsie, flat earther proves the rotation of the globe earth.

  19. “If there was curvature, there would be observable curvature evidence that matches a round spinning ball but there is none.”

    The way the sun rises and sets every damn day proves the Earth is spinning. Think Mcfly, Think!

  20. This article is about rockets and the imaginary place called space. If you are looking for an airplane article this article is not it. This article is entitled, “Nothing Ever Goes To Space” and it’s about the shortcomings and impossibilities of rockets. I don’t care about planes – the word airplane is not used in this article once. Do you know why? Because this article is about rockets. I care about facts and the facts are that nothing goes to space.

  21. 3-D characteristics of distant things cannot be determined using 2-D means. It has never been possible and it never will be possible. A telescope is a 2-D instrument. If you think you can determine shape using 2-D equipment you are assuming. This just went full-circle back to assumptions. You responded to assumptions by introducing more assumptions.

  22. I will try to fill you in with the facts as best I can. Bob Knodel doesn’t own a ring gyroscope. I don’t believe he’s ever seen the ring gyroscope to which he refers. He performed no tests or observations with it. The tests and observations were conducted by the owner of the ring gyroscope who is a gentlemen named Mr. R. Zimmerman.

    flatearth.ws is not a reliable source, appears to have cut/paste Bob Knodel’s comments out of context, and misguided you like they are known to do.

    The experiments of Fizeau, Arego, Fresnel, Airy, Michelson, Morley, Lorentz, Miller all proved the earth was stationary and the aether moves. Gale, Sagnac, and Joos went a little further and measured the rate of movement of the aether at 15%. There is nothing Bob Knodel can change with his commentary about the observations and experiments since the late 1800s until the present that involved these dozen scientists.

    Your misguided opinion from the flatearth.ws video has been noted. That video did what it was created to do.

  23. Your simple minded ideas have been recognized. Sunsets, sunrises, near-vacuum chambers, perspective, and refraction have been fooling people for a long time. You demonstrate you are no exception to being fooled.

  24. Why haven’t any of the flat earthers taken a photo of these rockets landing in the sea , exactly they can’t

  25. When nothing goes to space and there is no other alternative (because nothing gets higher than about 25 miles) why obtain photos of the obvious? You are asking for photos of the rockets going into the ocean but you are ok with the the cgi of the rockets getting to space. You really don’t think before you post, do you?

  26. There are no CGI photos of rockets and the rockets do go into space and if you think otherwise, why not get a major company to work with you to take Nasa and all the other space agencies to court, in fact if you yourself was in court up against them and they said well take you up in a rocket or fighter plane that you can see the round earth for yourself what would you do then? You’re just a ridiculous cult

    1. This article is about the lies and fraud of nasa, the FAA, csxt, etc. The title of the article is called, Nothing Ever Goes To Space because nothing has ever been to space. It is not about anything in your post so your entire post was ignored.

  27. Sorry, but that photo of a rocket is not ‘going down’ it’s going ‘down range’. It is moving away from you, horizontally, out over the Atlantic . . . . in an effort to orbit the round earth. —- At 17,000 mile a hour, that rocket is pretty far way, in a very short amount of time. —- Just saying.

    I am pretty sure you already know all this, but I just had to comment, because those two rocket arc photos don’t prove that the rocket is “going down” any more than they prove what I just said. —- I can see and understand where you are trying to establish the legit height of the 73 mile rocket by comparing land features on google earth (although it is my opinion that ANYONE can tell that those google photos are NOT taken at a mere 10,000 feet, no way.) But when you include those random rocket arc pics, and say “See. It’s a curve, that means it’s going down.” Well, no it doesn’t. And because it doesn’t I personally would take remove those photos. Since they prove nothing, to me they seem to lessen the potential validity of the google pics. But maybe that’s just me. —- For anyone that doesn’t know, the width of that rocket flare arc isn’t getting skinnier because it is expending less and less fuel. It is getting skinnier because it is getting farther and farther away from the camera. —- Down . . . range.

    1. Nothing gets higher than about 25 miles. Nothing can reach the speeds of 17,000 mph. You are professing stories that were told to you without evidence and you are simply repeating those stories. All rockets go up, horizontal, then downward and there are no exceptions to this fact. The duration of time rockets travel is measured by minutes, then when the rockets are high enough and far enough out of sight, the video is changed to cgi video. I can assure you that no ascending rocket even attains the speed of about 775 mph to break the sound barrier. Those rockets move slow due to their enormous weight and slow down incredibly with more height because the rocket has less and less air from which to push off with its thrust.

  28. Rockets and the space shuttle do travel at about 17,000 mph in space as the rocket goes round one way as the earth spins the other, just well known proven science, just watch all the discovery channels and it will be explained to you clearly

  29. The alleged space doesn’t begin until over 1000 mph. Recent reports indicate the moon is in earth’s atmosphere and the moon is no further than 4000 miles from earth. There is no objective and verifiable evidence space even exists. If you really think a rocket starting to arc at less than 5-15 miles is because it’s entering space, then the programming your received since you were born is working. You are merely reporting the things you’ve been told without proof or evidence. The proof in the article is the “correction” that was added. It clearly shows the csxt rocket at a height of about 21 miles, yet the claim was that it reached heights over 73 miles. Where is the 50 miles of missing height they claimed?

    In summary, nothing gets higher than about 25 miles from our flat and stationary earth. If people think otherwise, despite absolutely no objective and verifiable evidence, they have been successfully fooled into believing fantasy.

  30. No vehicle can produce the thrust to achieve speeds even close to those you have been told can be achieved. You believe those speeds because that is what you’ve been told. You’ve obtained no objective and verifiable evidence to support those nonsensical claims – yet you believe it on faith. That carries no weight in the world of reality.

  31. Why not show us a picture of you with the astronauts then if you think there alive as im sure their children would love to see one

    1. Also critical thinking made me come up with this one. But does the Earth stops spinning at every launch and landing? The Earth supposedly spins 1340 feet per second counterclockwise and yet all rockets go East when they should be going West. It’s all ass backwards. Hahahahahah! Now one would argue that the rocket goes along with the atmosphere but that’s not what we are told about the Coriolis Effect and it’s impact on projectiles.

  32. I DO believe those speeds because of what I have been told, and I have no problem with them, or with NASA. My only point was to ask you to apply the logic you apply to everyone else, to that arc pic. With the google pics I have something to work with. It shows me something I can wrap my head around. I am saying, “Yeah, he’s got something here.” But the arc pic is just you saying, “see, it’s going down”, and that ONLY contradicts what I have been told and believe, and that doesn’t do anything to make your point. —- I simply believe something different. — Just claiming something with no reason given as to WHY I should question my belief system, is the same thing you don’t like glib idiots to do to you, yet you are doing it. And everyone who believes as I believe (and everyone who has lived and worked in Brevard county) will just disregard that ineffective photo with the random arrow, and in the process, possibly not give your google Earth pics a chance. One of those examples is just not like the others. So instead of helping you make your point, it seemed TO ME it could be hindering your point, and that was the only point of my comment.

    (I googled your header pic and found the video of what THAT random arrow is pointing at . . . so thanks for that. I enjoyed the reddit thread, the SpaceX video, AND the schematic.)

  33. Don’t I know that!!! But no worries. I thought you were responding to my comment. Feel free to delete it, or both if you choose.(and this one,) It was just my 2 cents, I was genuinely trying to help.

  34. Phllipe, people don’t think so they can be told anything and they go along with it. If nasa told them white was actually green, they would not question it. But if we said to them that white is not green, they would lose their minds.

  35. Just watched it and am dying laughing, not only is it a propaganda video made by flat earthers which of course would not be shown in universities anyway but mainly talks about a scientist who did experiments in 1871(most of your theories come from late 1800 experiments lol) who of course had no access to modern science equipment and more importantly the pictures and live footage from space which you can view every day on line

  36. It’s cute that you believe the stuff you’ve been told is live pictures and footage from space. Where the images and footage are produced is somewhere on earth because nothing is in space. Nothing can get higher than about 25 miles. Anybody can claim it’s “live” but it’s not. Those who are easily fooled are easily fooled all the time.

  37. Why dont you find out where these so called studios are where theyre doing all this filming then, but you won’t, its you that is being lied to by your cult, also why are all your experiments about the flat earth all from scientists that lived in the 1800s and none from modern scientists with modern equipment?

  38. I don’t care from where they are committing their fraud so your suggestion was discarded even before I finished reading it. Then I ignored the rest of your post.

    1. Hey, it’s Mr. “I ignored everything you said and I hope that makes you mad” Rokro11. Glad you treat everyone with a differing opinion (and information you can’t rebut) the same…

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